I admit I've never properly fully read the books by Robert E.Howard. However seeing the 1982 movie Conan the Barbarian and filming locations, I was able to analyze the themes of the film which were inspired by true events and places.
In the beginning we see Conan's village in a cold forested area where it is raided by the snake cult led by Thulsa Doom.
The scene of the raid and killing of the adults in Conan's village is most likely inspired by the ancient attacks by the Scythians on the Cimmerians.
The characters in the movie, including Conan himself, his friends and his enemies are entirely fictional. But the tribes and ethnic groups they belong to are entirely historical. Conan is clearly a Cimmerian according to the story and characters created by E.Howard. The filming location was somewhere in Germany to depict the Cimmerian homeland. The Cimmerians lived in the northern portions of the Caucasus mountain region which is heavily forested and has cold snowy winters as depicted in the movie.
For the size of an entire ethnic group, the population of the Cimmerians in the movie seemed relatively small. My guess is they were meant to depict just one tribe of Cimmerians and not the entire ethnic group. Just as the Scythian horsemen in Thulsa Doom's army is meant to depict one tribe of Scythians and not the entire race.
After the attacks the children, including Conan are taken as slaves. Conan's wizard friend and film narrator explains the children were taken north. It shows the children led for days in chains to a flat desert plain with rocks and grass. North of the Caucasus region where such a landscape can be seen are the northeastern coasts of the Caspian sea towards the borders of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation.
Also an interesting observation in the movie is that most people have European features. The movie is set in a time period when Central Asia was still inhabited by Caucasian skulled Indo-Europeans prior to the Turko-Mongol migrations which occurred mainly in the fifth and sixth centuries AD.
If you look carefully at the slave "owner" in the scene, he could easily be an ancestor of the bearded Pakhtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
We see this slave owner selling Conan off to another slave owner with red hair and a beard. According to claims I've read by Turkic people, Kyrgyzstan was once filled with red haired people. This is possible since the Tocharians who lived in the Tarim desert east of Kyrgyzstan in China were said to have been Celtic related red haired people.
After Conan is sold to a new slave owner and becomes a successful gladiator, we hear the narrator saying he was taken to the far east.
In the "far east" of the movie Conan is seen being trained by Han Chinese warriors. The far east in the movie is most likely northwest of China. A strong inaccuracy here was the way the Han Chinese warriors were dressed. I think there is little evidence to suggest the Han Chinese dressed in such fashion in ancient times. Their outfits look more like they were from the first millennium AD.
The rest of the filming locations were taken in southern Italy and Spain. It shows mostly grassland and desert. It even shows scenes of snowfalls in the desert. This is Central Asia, a landmass which is nothing more than grasslands and deserts with dry, cold winters.
We also see Conan befriend Subutai, the unnamed wizard and Valeria, who fits the description of a Sarmatian.
The Sarmatians were often mistaken for the Scythians due to their nomadic lifestyle and common Iranic language. However the main difference between the two was that Sarmatian women were trained to fight unlike Scythian women.
In fact according to historians, Sarmatian women were not accepted for marriage unless they killed a warrior of the enemy tribe.
King Osric, another character from the story is shown. He is most likely another Indo-European tribal leader as his costume depicts:
The rest of the movie shows Conan and his friends situated around a the sea in the middle of the desert. The actual filming location was on a coastal area of the USA but from what I can see in the story it is most likely the coast of the Aral Sea.
A scene also shows Conan journeying for days in pursuit Thulsa Doom that takes him across to a mountainous area which appears to be a depiction of the Altay mountain region.
The only error I can see here is the Altay mountains have more grass and less sand/stones. It is less of a rocky landscape and more of a flat grassland region with rivers which the movie doesn't show.
Amongst the more fictional elements of the movie was the snake worship in Thulsa Doom's cult. Though animal worship was a strong part of Indo-European spiritualities and cultures, it was not restricted to any single animal worship, but a wide range of animals which most likely included snakes.
And as the creators of the movie commented, the snake cult is fictional even though I notice their symbols are derived from actual historic Indo-European cultures such as the sun and the moon.
The other fantasy elements are of course the magical themes and folklore altered to reality within the movie's storyline.
The second movie Conan the Destroyer is less relevant as it is further out of touch with reality and has more fantasy themes and plot-lines more so than the first film.
The geographic settings in the second film are the only realistic elements which depict the semi-forests and grasslands. This is because the story was set more towards Europe than desert/grassland covered Central Asia.
I usually don't discuss movies in my anthropology blog nor intend to in the future unless they're historical or inspired by history. But Conan the Barbarian is accurate for it's historical depictions of Central Asia and the Indo-European nomads who lived there prior to the Turko-Mongol migrations.
I recommend this movie to anyone who seeks a physical depiction of ancient Indo-European peoples of Central Asia on video and what the region looked like demographically in ancient times.
Post update: This trivia contains more possible inspirations to the movie.
"The characters in the movie depict real life people and the areas mentioned correspond with real life places."
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Howard's Cimmerians lived in the land that is today Scotland/Ireland. Going by supplemental materials, King Osric is the king of Ophir, roughly located where modern day Italy is. Conan meets Valeria and Subotai in Zamora, roughly equivalent to modern day spain. The riders who slaughter Conan's village are Vanir(they say it in the movie; its easy to catch if you have the subtitles on), who live in the kingdom of Vanaheim next to Cimmeria, and are intended to be Viking analogues. Thulsa Doom is stated to be the last member of a lost race in the audio commentary- hence the blue eyes and straight here contrasting with dark skin.
The point has been made that when Howard wrote these stories, he only had so much material available to him to do historical research. It seemed that what he wanted to was to be able to write a world with both Mongols and vikings available, and as a lover of history, he didn't have to worry quite so much about making mistakes by transplanting the stories to a forgotten era before recorded history.
but conan the Barbarian is a great movie- the problem being that the director almost shows a disdain for Howard's writing and the man himself, creating a world far different than what Howard created, and going against many themes Howard wrote. It's probably one of the least faithful adaptations ever put to screen.
My post has been entirely misinterpreted. I do not mean to depict this as something "historical," but INSPIRED by something historical. I wrote the filming location was in Germany. Where did I indicate the Cimmerian homeland to be in or anywhere near Germany?
ReplyDeleteI liked your essay, btw, but you're not using a lot of what I call "maybe" language- there's a lot of "This is what I think it is" and not a lot of "This is what it might be."
Case in point- Crom is a real Irish god, so that's another point against this movie being any kind of historical accurate as you describe.
The Vanir were definitely a fictional depiction of the Scythians. The name was taken from Viking mythology, but actually the Scythians in fictional form. The destruction of the Cimmerian civilization by the Scythians is what inspired that scene in the movie. To say the movie was entirely made up is the same as saying the name of the fictional Cimmerians was made up and had nothing to do with the name of the real Cimmerians. Even Subutai is based on a Mongol as the actor Jerry Lopez claims in the documentary. Most peoples in the movie are derived from real ancient historical peoples and placed into a fictional universe.
ReplyDeletejohn Milius loves Vikings, and he said as much throughout the commentary. I'm pretty sure he talked about Vikings when the Vanir were on screen, and I know he never mentioned Scythians.
ReplyDeleteBut Hyrkanians in REH's lore and the movie were definitely intended to the precursors to Mongols. Milius was also fascinated with Mongols, so this stayed. Two of his favorite cultures to study were the vikings and Mongols, so he was happy to use this movie as a vehicle to depict them. The same way his King Conan script was a way to use the COnan brand to make a Roman movie.
I'm sorry, but you keep saying in the comments that the settings and people in the movie were INSPIRED by real history as opposed to depicting said history, but that doesn't mesh with the wording you use in the essay:
"My guess is they were [i]meant to depict just one tribe of Cimmerians[/i] and not the entire ethnic group."
"Amongst the more fictional elements of the movie was the snake worship in Thulsa Doom's cult. Though animal worship was a strong part of Indo-European spiritualities and cultures, it was not restricted to any single animal worship, but a wide range of animals which most likely included snakes.
"And as the creators of the movie commented, the snake cult is fictional even though I notice their symbols are derived from actual historic Indo-European cultures such as the sun and the moon."
You singled out one element as fictional as if the rest of the movie isn't. You claim that the movie just uses history as inspiration (which is the case) but your essay seems to say it is actually depicting a real historical time accurately. That's where the confusion comes in. But the fact is that comments from the filmmakers don't back any of this up, just looking at the movie on its own.
Again, I must say- great essay, and I must emphasize that it is a great alternative interpretation for those of us REH fans who regard the movie as a bitter pill.
ReplyDeletewell i must say weather or not the movie's characters are from real life, the story line for conan is awesome and it's kinda nice to think that a man who lost everything as boy and was enslaved fought his way out and became a king by his own hand.i just hope the conan movie will be as fun to watch as the original is
ReplyDeleteI doubt it...
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